Sony and Nikon's flagship mirrorless cameras both offer impressive in-body image stabilization. A7R II doesn't support 1080/120p. I am glad you do not have to deal with the cases (unless you are just a fanboy who prefers to be blind even though comes across these AF failures) when Sony's AF is no good. As I explained in my trial I focused specifically on the areas where I knew A7R II had serious real life limitations for me and that is the right thing to do when trialing the new A7R III to see whether Sony addressed those pain points. That really means you have no real way of fixing that problem as the grips do not do it. But still the main difference between mirrored and mirrorless is the optical verses electronic viewfinder. Your responses of the style - if I have not seen it is BS - rather make me think of you lacking credibility in experience in the areas which you deny. I only put the camera to my face when I am about to shoot. Plus you need some training so you can imagine how the image will look like when the film is developed. The body is protected against dust and splashes, as are all Sony FE lenses. @miksto"Let me disappoint you. There are a lot of photo/video cameras that have found a role as B-cameras on professional productions or A-camera for amateur and independent productions. Sony put together a shooting event at Shop Studios in New York to showcase the capability. That's a workaround, not the idea solution. You are just being silly assuming your little delusions are the nature of things for everybody. Be kindly informed I will ignore your further comments and will only be interested if someone finds an answer to my question on measurable rolling shutter for A7R III. It's in-house stabilization system and almost like cinema follow focus are jewels of modern photography and videography world. Wow!!! I hoped you can say something useful in this discussion and wasted enough time on you but you seem to be in capable. But it is no point explaining in 2017 or 2018 or whenever why are they important -- if some people don't get it, they won't. @RubberDialsRubbish. The test that osv refers to:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4it is indeed a proof that in AF-C Sony does quite well. I'd love for it to work for me but I just found it unusable. PLease state your facts with much greater precision, e.g. I prefer not be spoon fed. The Super35 frame is just slightly crisper, with a little more detail. I am amazed at this ignorance. Only one slot is UHS-II compliant, the same as with the a9. @Miksto : "Nikon live view nails it in low light"My experience indicates something completely different. "Or tell me what am I doing wrong here:"What lenses are you using? Officially cats and dogs are supported. The a7R III didn't have an in-camera intervalometer for time-lapse capture at launch, but one was added via the Firmware 3.0 update. It doesn't do as much, but perhaps you don't need as much. What was odd is that to fix that it was enough to move to a different position. Richard, I tried your admittedly much more straightforward method with bursts of ~60 frames and HI+ does give me 10fps. Oh, and it's a lot of fun too. and why the hell would you need more then 3 fps for adapted lens ?need more and shooting a professional job, get the proper system lens for the job. Why use Slog2/3 if you are planning to underexpose? It still requires good light and good contrast or you lose the moment. LOL. With GM lenses the extra weight of the newer A7 bodies is not anything that I offer much thought anyway. I expect more photographers who buy the a7R III will opt for Raw capture. The A7Riii is better than most. It is just that I knew the A7R II's pain points and was trying to see if A7R III has notably bettered them and in most cases it has not. You really are a persistently terrible reader. Sony says the a7R III is based around the same 42MP back side illuminated CMOS sensor as its immediate predecessor, so doesn't gain the full speed advantages of the a9's Stacked CMOS chip (in terms of AF performance, continuous shooting rate or reduced rolling shutter in video and electronic shutter mode). You will see the 'ergonomics' are the same. With additional grip still is not as comfy as Nikon/Canon without any additional grip.3) Battery life still is not great when you need to run a whole event day with gimbals and the battery compartment is blocked. @osvStill totally failing to learn to read, eh? The Sony a7R III used for this review was ordered online/retail. The desktop version as well as the app in my Sony A6300 is absolutely atrocious. I am afraid you just continue to troll and have nothing useful to say to the point that interests me. The a7R III performed such that it got 90. And, with the new battery, is able to offer much more similar endurance, if you're not in a situation in which you can plug the camera in to an external power source. There were 2 more that were close but not quite there. what AF setting are you using?Those trials of Xmas city in the evening sessions were shot mostly with Sony E-mount Zeiss Batis 25mm f/2 lens.I tried different settings as it was a two week trial of A7R II. A close look at images from our ISO test scene shows that images are superb, with no noticeable loss in quality, through ISO 1600. When it launched in 2017, the Sony A7R III was unrivaled in its power and versatility. No Hulk :-). We compare the Canon EOS R6, Nikon Z6 II, Panasonic S5 and Sony a7 III. While it exists it rarely matters in real life video. In the future can dpreview evaluate the cameras with Pixel shift mode with respect to Astro photography application? Cyber Monday Sony deals are underway, compare the latest Cyber Monday Sony a7R II and a7 III deals listed below. The phenomenon is mostly an issue when there is overly fast handheld movement" ...because it proves that your concerns are grossly exaggerated. They're not all applicable to everyone and they're not equally important. Images at ISO 102400 are very rough. The a7R III features Sony's latest cocktail of wireless communication, which includes Bluetooth, NFC, and Wi-Fi. It finds the face and shows green box around the face making you believe it focused on the face. I tried to get used to A7R II forcing myself to take as the only one on holiday and no - it is not about what you are used to. Sony A7R II was known for AF issues in low light (and not only low light). It was A7R III - the new one. Otherwise I leave you to your little delusions. >> you don't know how to operate a camera correctly, as the cinema5d link that YOU posted told you. The left control cluster for the a9R will contain controls appropriate for a super highres stills and video camera, not those of the a9 speedster. You need to compare your Canon and Nikon DSLRs to the Sony equivalent, which is an A-mount camera like the the A77II or A99II. The only thing you said is not to use AF-S which in itself is a crappy suggestion. Eric HenselI agree. They are way more important to me than you ever will be. Nowhere in what I said I was looking for equivalence. Everythingis1Does your handle imply that you like to use one word for all occasions? For the last 2 years I have been primarily Sony FF mirrorless user and the Canon bodies now feel unnecessary large. I've used it both in the field and in the lab, and found the differences to be subtle, but palpable. >> What lenses are you using? A great camera, i was able to test it one day. It can be set to take images at set intervals for time-lapse capture. For some of them there is a solution. sony had the only small but i guess it died in 2013. Is the camera planted on their face all the time? This is a first for the a7 series, and a feature we're finally seeing on almost every new professional camera. Combining a 37MP full-frame sensor, minimalist controls and Lightroom Mobile built in, it's a refreshing – if a bit quirky – take on the smartphone-meets-camera concept. Very tiny lines are slightly smudged and lose their crisp edges. Jim Fisher is our lead analyst for cameras, drones, and digital imaging. The additional comments really clarify that and put even less credibility in your AF experience and criticism. I did not try Lock-on.I liked the joystick for Flexible Spot but that is besides low light focusing issues.When I was testing Face Detection I used Wide. wrong again, it's not my choice... the cinema5d link that YOU posted clearly told YOU that you are not operating the camera correctly. @miksto - "What is correct depends on the scene. It also completely removes shutter vibration from an image, which can make a difference when working with such a high-resolution sensor. Can the menus be selected by touching the screen on the back? If you need more quality, you can output a clean 4:2:2 signal over HDMI to send to a field recorder. The best of competition has AF working down to -4EV IRRESPECTIVE of F-number while A9 claims to focus down to -3EV with F2 only and you are not as lucky if you use higher F-numbers (which is highly likely if you do sports/action with A9 with 70-200 F 2.8 or alike). If the niche application of using slow lenses AF in low light you might not be in the market for a Sony. It has lightly contrast wooden texture. For users wanting to use the camera's video dynamic range with a high dynamic range display but without the extra hassle of color grading, the a7R III joins the Panasonic GH5 in offering Hybrid Log Gamma recording: essentially Log capture with tags to tell displays how to correctly render it. "Clearly you have limited experience with Sony AF, >> the fact that you are presenting them all as deal breakers and the camera being inadequate or incompetent. You are so funny with such delusional statements. With strobes that are capable of firing that quickly you'll be able to shoot fast-moving action in the studio. wrong again as usual... both cinema5d and the red camera link are talking about best practices when using a camera. A9 having a weaker AF than to say the 1DX or the D5. I have seen conflicting reports with some stating that 14 bit shooting is maintained as long as the mechanical shutter is used and others saying that the bit depth is reduced to 12 at 10 frames per second. Yes.. the M5 feels/is more comfortable/secure in ones hand, even though it is quite a bit smaller than the A7RIII. No price is given at this time, but the adapter is set to be available by the end of the year. Please learn to read. Since the A7R III has failed the "Water Torture Test" it should be down graded with respect to the rating score. Review: Does the Canon Rebel T8i DSLR make sense in an increasingly mirrorless world? Sure, they pack 50MP of resolution, but they're best suited for studio and landscape use due to a rather limited ISO range and a sensor that's at its best when you perfectly nail exposure in-camera—if you're shooting action and events, that isn't always possible. The Sony Alpha A7R III and the Sony Alpha 7S III are two digital cameras that were revealed to the public, respectively, in October 2017 and July 2020. I am getting mine tomorrow, if the AF is somewhat close to the A9 well I do not think that the D850 AF can be much better, but it cannot AF decently in live view and it does not have Eye Af so the A7RIII is likely to win the AF battle as a all purpose camera. your exact words were: "Unfortunately it seems that rolling shutter is still awful". One issue - star eating continues. I found Sony A7R III lies it focused in low light too often - no numbers on the keepers there. I don't think it was product differentiation, I think Sony thought they'd give users something off the price rather than a cluster of controls they wouldn't access often. I tend to swap between the Wide setting, which automatically chooses what to focus on, and the Flexible Spot, which restricts focus to a specific area. It's not been forgotten and is one of the things driving our current project looking at refining the scoring system. I have used 2 A7RII as primary cameras since its first release, honestly there are not very many people who have used a7RII as much as I have and hardly any in combination with an A9, again to the extent I did. The raw images are amazing, including rapid burst action shots of surfers cutting waves on Oahu's north shore. The Mark III has numerous improvements over its predecessor, many of which are borrowed from the flagship a9. @cbphoto123>> it has eyeAf.. which is the most important thing everI am sorry but you make me laugh.1) Eye AF is not the most important thing ever.2) Especially so given that even the basic AF (let alone eye AF) of Sony's does not work at all in conditions when Canon or Nikon's one snaps focus instantly.I prefer AF that works to one that does not work where others do. Fast panning with still subjects is terrible technique because it makes the viewer dizzy. Check out the winners of the 2020 DPReview Awards! Hope they make a a7 rbody or smaller. @armandinoLearn to read.1) I did not say wedding. That's the a9, released a few months ahead of the a7R III. @tbcassWhat you said is great but do you have answer to my question wrt A7R III and its measurable and comparable rolling shutter in UHD Super 35? Sony is known to clip blue channel highlights prematurely and do a few other nasty things with color but at least you have a way of fixing this poor color science from Sony with things like this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQXg38qaRuY. As Sony already has proven that they can make faster cameras with adapted lenses, why do they cripple most of them? Below it, you find the Fn button, a control dial with a center button and four directional presses; Display, Drive Mode/Self Timer, and ISO are marked on the body, but as with most of the buttons, they're customizable. What you can't do is start a video recording while images are being written to the card, which can be frustrating when going back and forth between still and video capture. >> 2) why you would not use an F2 or faster.a) All the issues I described above I observed with 25mm F2 lens in an evening city lit with Xmas decorations. @miksto - "shares the MOST SEVERE rolling shutter we EVER TESTED". Disappointing because otherwise, what a wonderful camera. maybe someday you'll understand why the film/video industry relies on things like panning speed calculators, but i'm not going to hold my breath, lol. But serious astronomers and hobbyists may want to give consideration to other options. This is the case above where it finds the face but focuses on background if background is better lit (what is difficult to overcome with Xmas decoration and what in itself should not fool the camera).When I was testing low contrast focusing I used Center and Flexible Spot pointing at low contrast areas (where Nikon/Canon focus fine and instantly but Sony totally fails). armandinoWorrying about what your camera looks like is idiotic. The score is generated based on the ratings in a series of tests and assessments: we don't get to choose it. Multiply that by about 15 years of active digital photos plus another 5 years prior to that playing with digital which was yet subpar but doing more film. Not that way around. Lots of really demanding videographers that are perfectly fine with the files. I know of A7R II's terrible rolling shutter in UHD Super 35 - it is among the worst and no news to me here. Carrying 2kg on your shoulder for a whole day...Rather carry 1kg and save the weight. As we in Germany say "Sony - so nie" (meaning something like "Sony - never if you keep the way you're going"). The C3 button has moved to the far left top corner, with the Menu button in its familiar place to its right. If it focuses it is already superior to the one that does not focus. But in low light I find that the new A7R III still fails in the same cases as A7R II and where Nikon/Canon do not fail. We all know how cool smartphones are.Excuse me, I have to go now and take a selfie....... Meh, I'm not a fan of the larger smartphones but if I'm choosing between a larger smartphone or a 1980s cell phone then I'll take the smartphone any day. More so that it lies about acquiring focus where it clearly did not as with face detection example I gave above. 3 fps continiuous shooting if you need continuous AF. I'm shooting at 1/500 so the millisecond counter on the stopwatch gets captured clearly. It is just "catching up". Here is evidence that A7R II has "the MOST SEVERE rolling shutter we EVER TESTED" from cinema5d.com:https://www.cinema5d.com/sony-a7rii-rolling-shutter/Their claim refers to UHD super 35 that is pretty much the only worthy mode as far as I am concerned as I long abandoned shooting 1080p. I've used a D750 with 24-70mm f/2.8 lens and can comfortably say that your statement does not apply in even the remotest way. Our experience is comparable based on your numbers. The new thumb stick made moving the focal point a snap and the stiffer mechanical dials and buttons meant I was not constantly changing settings as I shot - a huge problem for me on the earlier versions of the camera. Honestly? Of course it does, it's twice the size and has an enormous grip in comparison. My arm and fingers hurt after a day of shooting what does not happen with Nikon/Canon bodies. Nice product, but extremely expensive here in Germany, and is only sold by specialized authorized dealers (no large mail order stores like Amazon). You're quite right. My problems were the AF-joystick next to my nose and my pinky under the body. If you have no answer to my question please kindly stop wasting my time. Both the A7R III and the A7S III are mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that are equipped with a full frame sensor. @Dougbm_2'As much as the EVF is useful for judging exposure when it comes to critical shooting and clearly seeing the scene the optical viewfinder wins.'. I am very disappointed of this camera. Faster autofocus and burst shooting matter more, and improved battery life makes the a7R III a much more appealing option for professional use. The Sony a7R III owner's manual (linked to at the top of this page) provides a deeper look into the full capabilities of this camera, though at only 100 pages, it is not the most in-depth camera manual available. What’s the best camera for less than $1000? To me the size it more important than the weight. what miraculous Nikon camera you were using, what lens and what f-stop plus the exposure settings to give an idea of the level of light.Just a point on the over-generalisation you applied. The rear command dial is slightly higher than the AF-ON and AEL buttons, and is positioned between them. Introduction. In that situation images are useless. There are a number of autofocus modes available. @cbphoto123RubberDials seems to be playing dumb. If you prefer to be blind about that it is your choice, not mine. All this adds up to very sharp 4k videos. When paired with a Sony 300MBps card I netted 30 uncompressed Raw+JPG or uncompressed Raw images at a time. We shouldn't understate the importance of a big, reliable battery. The new finder maintains the high 0.78x magnification, but is sharper at 3.6 million dots, up from 2.4 million. I'm shooting RAW-only, compressed. https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/sony-a7r-iii. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing under $1000 and recommended the best. @armandinoNope. © 1996-2020 Ziff Davis, LLC. When any camera review has as many cons as pros usually that camera would at best only score at best 82%. @RubberDialsAs you can see above I am waiting for comparable and measurable confirmation of how bad/good it is.The first indication from cinema5d.com is that in Full Frame rolling shutter of A7R III has not improved at all compared to Sony A7R II. Thus my question still stands narrowly and specifically: is there any scientifically and comparably measured rolling shutter test for UHD Super 35 mode on A7R III? No idea what leaves you in this blind denial of facts. Simple. I guess you really are totally hopeless and of no use to me but are a truly amazing incomprehensible demagogue!!! >> Clearly you have limited experience with Sony AF. Tamron's 28-75mm F2.8 lens for E-mount is sharp, compact and is the first third-party standard zoom for the system. I love using it. The very reason I have used it so much is because it worked effectively for me, since it did not for you I seriously doubt you used as much because as you say, you do not trust it. It is better or worse in every regard? When we first reported on the alleged ransomware attack back in August, Canon said it was 'investigating the situation.' As it turns out, the only way to have that much impact on the score by adjusting the build quality assessment would be to give it a negative score and I can't quite get my head 'round what a negative rating for build quality would mean (you have to build it yourself but the parts are quite fiddly and need to be filed down before assembly?). It also has no joystick and requires two hands to turn on. That said I think that smaller sensors are better overall for video with 1" being the sweet spot. And in weather sealing too. Thank you. It is not that Sony fans are too weak to lift heavy Nikons! You are right that no camera is perfect but I had hopes Sony would do better in the third iteration. As far as turning on the Canon with one or both hands..I also could not care less, since I always shoot with both hands (one on lens and one on body).. Rubber has mentioned the on/off switch of Canon.. in defense of Sony ergonomics at least 50 times. It makes a great travel camera but isn't as refine as the best of its rivals. Dual card slots. I really do not see myself getting back to using something like a 1DX. You want video with cine lenses? It takes a sensor that's already proven to deliver excellent performance and ekes a bit more dyanmic range out of it, while other upgrades are more palpable. There are a few physical changes, notably touch sensitivity on the LCD, a larger EVF, a dedicated focus selector (like you get with the a9), dual memory card slots, and a higher capacity battery. Sony also says the improved processing will benefit video shooting. It's available in Canon EF, Fuji X, Leica M, M42, MFT, Nikon F, Pentax K and Sony E mounts and the first units are expected to ship in January 2021. And seriously, are shooting weddings with an F4 zoom lens?Not to mention that if you are trained properly and you have proper custom buttons set up mf on a Sony can be fast and accurate. @miksto - "They referred to "overly fast movement" pointing out clearly that A7R II". If you're not on board with Sony, the choice isn't as clear. Otherwise you so far are not being useful nor helpful missing the point totally. Let me disappoint you. A7R III was down right awful with this moon AF test though when it did the result was great. In order to make valuable statements anyone should clarify what they use primarily because that gives context to their argument. Yup. You totally lose credibility once you start blindly denying what I see with my own eyes. Nikon snaps instantly. Stop thinking you've seen it all. In other words who gives a shixxt? No doubt this camera will soon be a favourite one for video-makers and small budget film makers. The 'One Shot' documentary highlights the incredible amount of preparation and work involved in photographers capturing iconic moments in Olympic history. Now, as the year winds down, we're highlighting some of our standout products of the year. Panasonic GH4 is between Sony A7rII and Canon/Nikon FF DSLR in size. I've talked about the a9 here simply because that's where a lot of the upgraded technology powering the a7R III was introduced. Sony has still not put it's shutter release button further forward (so ones index finger does not need to contort back) and more importantly need a much deeper and less slippery surface for thumb placement... to have a secure hold on the camera during operation. If it had focus stacking it would be perfect! ", 4) you don't have any dpr challenge photos. Still on sensor and depends on F-number.2) Ergonomics. There is a big advantage when your focusing does not depend on aperture.This design decision (on sensor AF rather than, for example, hybrid of both on and off-sensor where in low light only off-sensor is used while at other times it is calibrated based on on-sensor) makes it almost impossible to use most lenses in low light since they will fail to focus way too often while on Nikon/Canon you can use any lens. These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both speed and focus for capturing fast action and offer professional-level image quality. The a7R3 is very slightly larger at 5 x 3.8 x 2.9â (126.9 x 95.6 x 73.7mm) and 1.445 lb (657g). AF better than on A7R II but still not good enough in low light compared to competition. Both qualify their statements and do not make them absolute as you are trying to brainwash here. You can do it ,Sony. The Laowa 15mm F4.5 Zero-D Shift lens lets you shift perspective without moving the camera, correct for converging lines and more. This has nothing to do with knowing how to operate the camera and all to do with the scene. Our expert industry analysis and practical solutions help you make better buying decisions and get more from technology. As much as the EVF is useful for judging exposure when it comes to critical shooting and clearly seeing the scene the optical viewfinder wins. Interesting how Sony makes these odd decisions to have features like that in one camera and not the other, especially when it's their flagship. Or there's a middle ground that says that, although there are obvious problems with that test, it still shows something interesting (with the cliche that "the plural of anecdote is not 'data'" acting as caveat). Now more than ever I really think you are making a big fuss. What is at odds with your suggestion on AF-C is they actually used AF-S in low light - not AF-C as you suggested. The a9R will make use of the left shoulder. @richard cohen"AF sounds like it is good but not as good". Does anyone find the raw image of A7RIII is less sharp than A7RII? Fujifilm has announced a special version of its 100MP GFX 100 for infrared imaging. Bluetooth is used to set the camera's clock, keep a connection to your phone alive for quicker pairing, and add GPS data to images, based on your phone's GPS. I am not in a market for a Canikon because of the lack of the above. That may be hardly surprising as on the specs it is the same -2EV on F2 but I was hopeful. It simply is irrelevant in the context. The camera ships with an external battery charger, but can also charge internally, and has two ports to support this. You are the biggest laugh of my day today!!! Far superior. @armandino(continuing)Things get even worse if you want to use F4 lenses to get you the extra zoom leg some of them provide like the recent SEL24105G. I see it merely as catching up to DSLR's and other mirrorless brands, I would choose them over a Sony. I do not. The a7R III isn't Sony's fastest full-frame mirrorless camera. Why? Possibly a small typo in the table. This is a godsend if you prefer to use a flexible spot for focus. It's just as strong in the field as it is in the studio. I need no website to gain clientele. Then Sony is down to needing really good light for autofocus and low light is a no go. The autofocus time is nearly instant, 0.05-second in bright light, although it slows to about 0.15-second in dim conditions. Waiting... As for why A6500 is not an option... Well... Its quality is way worse and it shows too much in low light. I went into this system in 2013. small camera 400 something gram. You are deluded. For example, a7rIII camera and lens 50mm 1.8 on star tracking head like a iOptron SkyTracker Camera Mount. >> 3) If Lock-on S, or M, or L?Did not use Lock-on - quickly found it unreliable and did not use after that. The edge in the picture seems to be less defined. Flexible Spot is more useful on the a7R III than on previous iterations of the camera for shooting action thanks to the small focus joystick—it's very easy to move the point around. I think you could have saved yourself a lot of time needlessly typing if you just read what I am after - your response misses it completely wasting my and your time. Such as Panasonic GH5 which has way better rolling shutter.What is more A6300 has way worse rolling shutter than even the terrible A7R II. Looking at our AF testing, I've got runs of images in which there are sequences of ten consecutive images with the same timestamp (to the second), suggesting we go 10 fps. The lack of in-camera Raw conversion doesn't totally negate the extremely high Raw image quality the camera produces, so it's senseless to simply count the number of pros and cons. When using a stopwatch your reaction time can affect accuracy. Is it because the A99ii has a dedicated PDAF sensor in addition to on sensor PDAF? It is fine if you fail to be helpful because you cannot. It fails way too often in the Xmas decorated city which is not even serious low light. Muddying waters further, Sony has its own a99 II, which uses A-mount SLR lenses, the same 42MP sensor, and supports 12fps image capture. Hardly surprising but the issues are the same with this lens but exacerbated by higher F. Ultimately I found (as already described above):1) Eye AF gives up first2) Then face detection fails. I'm a Canon user and how any user of any brand can be unimpressed is beyond me. They said "overly fast movement" but that is not the same as "not operate correctly". The 1DX is the last Canon body I have (had pretty much any iteration of 1D, 5D and 7D). The A7RIII will not be as good as the A9 but if you know how to use it will not be cause of missing shots in common low light conditions. I also hope they will get 10 or higher bit internal video recording with 4:2:2 or higher - they did not seem to do anything on this side at all with A7R III. I will wait and hope for a future model. Rubber... we are talking about physical ergonomics. Frankly it would not be a problem if only I did not see it being a problem in what I would consider rather regular uses cases in which I tried A7R III. The information I've given is 100% true. i've already told you what you are doing wrong, so learn how to read, and learn how to use a camera. This has been a bone of contention with serious astrophotographers, who have pointed out that the older a7R II's noise reduction system "eats" small stars. The A7Rii does have a problem with rolling shutter. Never ever will I go back to that tiny impossible-to-see-in-the-dark OVF of Canon 5D3 that I had before I switched to Sony. I disagree with i.e. You delude yourself if you see equivalence. That IS a big con. The only reason I come back here is in the hope someone would give an answer I am after and it is all the more disappointment to see again and again irrelevant mumbling from time wasting osv instead of the answer. Mirrorless cameras are much smaller than DSLRs and are de facto not as comfortable to hold - that doesn't mean they're badly designed. As even your quote already hints at the AF problem that I describe. @armandinoI hope Sony will fix it next time. I actually use the in-camera apps on my A6300. We've combed through the options and selected our two favorite cameras in this class. You would not want to use lock on and 3D tracking for a critical shot anyway, you would not want to risk the camera to pick the wrong subject. I got the chance to to play around with one at a local camera shop and right off the bat it is a very ugly camera that any medium length lens makes it very front heavy. The A7RII is very good for low light but needs extra work, like most cameras. I could find negatives on Canon and Nikon bodies much more easily. The addition of a customizable My Menu page is a welcome one, but you'll still want to spend a couple hours configuring the camera to your liking when you first get it. I don’t know why anyone would want to have it enabled (camera stores maybe), but there it is. @osvYou are still a hopelessly terrible reader. I faced all those problems in real shooting situations on A7R II and that is why I went out to see if they still are problems with A7R III. Well, there is always next time for Sony... @miksto - "My numbers are just an approximation. I use to respond a bit sour to such idiotic statements, now, meh, if you do not get it is your problem. You not seeing does not make things BS. 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White balance is definitely improved. @armandino>> much of the physical positive feel of the ergonomics has to do with what we are used to. As simple as that. It is crap that AF depends on F-number. I need one answer: measurable and comparable rolling shutter in UHD Super 35 on A7R III. Just add dji ronin and you will be able to shoot everything. @miksto - "Or tell me what am I doing wrong here:". Sometimes you'd want some natural light decrease the harsh shadows from the flashguns. It also features nearly 150 wonderful images from past Olympics games. Persistently incurable in that, eh? loving the ISO 100K grain? F1.4 may have given more leverage but how more niche does it get if AF fails with anything above F1.4? Sony did this with the A9, which makes it even more strange that they selected to not do the same with the A7RIII, I agree that it should have some controls on the left side. Silent shooting option. In a studio set-up. May be A9 is better there than A7R III - no idea from that video.3) D5 still would have focused where A9 would not since they went in that test to -3EV and only speculated on -4EV. We do see a more noticeable drop in fidelity at ISO 12800. Yes it became a tad better with tiny increase of the grip than it was but still is not good. That sounds like a really harsh critique, but itâs also a praise to how good the A9ii, A9, A7R III and A7 III already are. The Alpha A7 III is a brilliant camera that ticks a lot of boxes for many photographers. Or both of us do not have limited experience. Some weeks I do only video. What are your numbers? Canon 6D nailed it 80% of the time. I am sure that these happen, the question is if they are a problem for general use. It's almost caught up to the year old a99II. The A7 III is the more complete mirrorless camera package, with the latest Sony AF system in tow. But both positions were in good outside bright daylight and in clear view - just a different angle. @ mikstoFrom a practical point of view there is virtually no need to shoot f2.8 or higher in -3EV, -4EV. Read our Sony A7R III Review We havenât finished our review of the Sony A7S III, but we have extensive sample photos and a hands-on report. Sony a7R III Specs The Sony a7R III was Sony's best high-resolution full-frame mirrorless camera when it dropped 3 years ago. @ChriscotechAbsolutely, that is the obvious consideration, but honestly I got tired of repeating myself.Also, "using the joystick painfully jammed my right thumb against my nose" is very opinionated as the joystick is positioned like any other camera:http://j.mp/2k6Ch1R, Yeah, the AF-ON is in the completely wrong place anyway, and even worse if you are left-eyed.I find it very awkward and painful to shoot my A9s and now A7r III for very long, holding in the AF-ON button.I wish I would toggle it on :), >> "using the joystick painfully jammed my right thumb against my nose" is very opinionated as the joystick is positioned like any other camera. I regularly film in conditions where fast panning is a necessity due to the nature of the scene - such as airplanes and generally fast moving objects. @armandinoEarlier I tried AF-C with the focusing on the low contrast pattern case and it still failed to focus where Nikon/Canons focused instantly. It is a different matter there are those who do not care about these areas. It's not readily apparent when viewing images at typical screen resolution. Depending on the load I could have between 500 and 5000 pictures a week. You so funny! Uncompressed raw also 14 bit when using Bulb exposure? Shooting film there is no other option than OVFs - be it rangefinders, SLRs, TLRs. @armandino>> From a practical point of view there is virtually no need to shoot f2.8 or higher in -3EV, -4EV. Again one more assertion from your side "Our experience is comparable based on your numbers" that show your statements are questionable. Now that Nikon has entered the full-frame mirrorless camera market, the natural question that comes up is how its first model, the Z7, compares to Sony's high resolution king, the a7R III. To take advantage of the camera's dynamic range, the Picture Profile system of color and tonal response borrowed from Sony's professional video line now includes the even flatter S-Log3 gamma curve. >> YOU made the specific troll claim: "Sony still cannot nail low light AF.". Not mine. The 24mm F3.5, 35mm F2 and 65mm F2 DG DN share similar designs and have weather-sealed metal bodies. If you continue to fail to read so grotesquely bringing ever more irrelevant stuff you may get me laughing again as you once did already - you are close enough. But first I want to give it a chance - thus my interest in measured rolling shutter in UHD Super 35. This is what I have been taking about all along: i am not making objections to the limitations you are presenting, but the fact that you are presenting them all as deal breakers and the camera being inadequate or incompetent. But does not matter - you make me laugh here at least. Sometimes focuses. event photographers, videographers, sports, landscape... Each of these presets clearly has different biases to what scoring weights make sense. And when I hold A7R III I have only two finger firm grip which is no good for a day of shooting. Tried that as well with Atomos but for retouching that alone is not enough and you strongly benefit from 10 bits or more to have freedom without introducing banding and you do not get that. I was hopeful this time around and they addressed some of the glaring issues but not all of them. Sigma's new primes promise very good performance and light weight, when paired with L-mount and Sony E-mount mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. Another stupid statement. Much like Nikon's recent D850, it's one that combines this resolution with high speed and fast autofocus capabilities to a degree we've not previously seen. Thanks for any insights. ImpulsesThe fanboys will always inject their useless opinions. Your choice. I think you are really trying hard to find negatives on this camera. Some example pics: http://www.geardads.com/sony-a7r-iii-review/. I totally give up on any attempts to help you learn to read as you clearly seem to be incurable in that respect. How silly was that a decision by Sony? That said, there is no 10-bit capture possible; the camera can still only capture 8-bit 4:2:0 footage internally or output 8-bit 4:2:2, which may limit the usefulness of S-Log3 if it makes posterization more likely when the footage is graded. Burst shooting speed hovers around 10fps, regardless of what format you use. So that is a clear lie that you do not.I personally find Sony to be less reliable in low light than Nikon or Canon. Cameras such as the A7R3 are fantastic, enormously capable tools, but I highly recommend to sometimes grab a beautiful vintage analogue camera, throw in a good film and shoot with OVF, manual setting and focusing, no complex menus to get lost in, no chimping, just concentrating on capturing the right moment. The display itself is 3 inches in size and packs a 1,440k-dot resolution, a modest bump from the 1,228k screen used by the a7R II. On the rear we see some control changes. Hint: get a thesaurus. No need to chimp. > You are dreaming, as I said I use my A7RII/III and A9 all the time on gimbals. now its almost 50% heavier and almost as heavy as any dslr. @Miksto'This article is about A7RIII and let me repeat: the ergonomics of A7RIII is quite poor compared to Nikon/Canon cameras. If you're looking for a high-quality camera, you don't need to spend a ton of cash, nor do you need to buy the latest and greatest new product on the market. Yes. What do you do in the studio when you want 1/200s shutter speed? This has nothing to do with the camera, and has everything to do with how the images wer processed, the taste of the photographer and what monitor he/she is using. It can't sync with flash, however, you need to switch to the mechanical shutter for that—and when you do, the a9 becomes a 5fps camera. @miksto - "I do not like to talk about A9 because that has no relevance to A7R III which is the subject of this article and of what I was talking about. The body eschews front buttons, save for a dial integrated into the handgrip, instead putting its buttons and dials on the top and rear. @Richard Butler > The scores are calculated from something like 40 parameters each of which has a specific weighting. I will watch if others have anything useful to say but not you. The Sony A7 is now up to the Mark III version, while the Sony A7R is up to Mark IV. They're still making tiny APS-C bodies as well as selling older models, shockingly there might be room in the market for both ends of the spectrum, only their system gives you both options... Kinda hard to fault them for that. Fuji in particular.. Pentax for years, for example. > I never seen banding in editing my video files. The new camera will be available for special order in early 2021. The only exception would be Leica.Time and time again.. you confuse my not feeling Sony is there yet, not ready to switch over to EVF (because it is also not where I feel it need to be).. that I must be a "fanboy" of Canon. Looks like your ability to read is totally missing that even claim I did not ask a question. 4:2:2 is already available with an external recorder on both, rolling shutter is not an issue with the A9. The Sony a7 III is an entry-level full-frame camera that goes well beyond the basics in features, with excellent image quality, 10fps subject tracking, and 4K video capture. I have not tested it for all use cases but I tested in my trial for the low contrast pattern focusing in low light and it failed just as AF-S did and where Nikon/Canon did not and snapped focus instantly. Why would they do that? And that happens even after I get used to Sony with extended multi-day use while not with Nikon/Canon bodies. I'd call the output through ISO 25600 strong, but noise does start to overtake fine detail at ISO 32000, and is more of an issue at ISO 51200. You just prefer not to notice. We didn't find many wizards or scarecrows, but we did see plenty of lizards and landscape scenes along the Australian coast. Sony requires good light and good contrast. Rubber.. since you feel the need to distract/deflect with your very odd argument...the m5 also has better ergonomics than the A7RIII, as do most Canon cameras both larger than and much smaller than the what Sony offers. They referred to "overly fast movement" pointing out clearly that A7R II is so bad it cannot handle fast movement well.But I am specifically interested in handling objects that move fast and filming them without either them or background getting skewed. PCMag, PCMag.com and PC Magazine are among the federally registered trademarks of Ziff Davis, LLC and may not be used by third parties without explicit permission. The A7R is better suited for highly detailed work, â¦ I still can't get over how noisy this camera is if underexposed using Slog2/3. ?? The larger battery has more than double the capacity. Sony A7R III vs A7S III. No mention of the massive banding issues when shooting in silent mode indoors. Those figures include heavy use of the 8fps and 10fps capture options, however. I was looking for good ergonomics, not for equivalence. This is a design cue inherited from the a9. You implied that the clearer view through the OVF was needed for critical shooting. Originally released in fall 2017, the A7RIII was aimed to convince serious and professional photographer alike that the mirrorless Full-Frame camera could thoroughly replace their traditional Digital SLR. >> 1) you would want to shoot in such low light with an F4 lensCine lenses for video. Catching up to others is not innovation, let alone super innovation (not sure what 'super' adds in your brain and why you wanted to add this irrelevant word). Find out how the Olympus M.Zuiko 12-100mm F4 Pro does as a travel companion on a trip to Oz. Probably the most uncomfortable camera in your hands I have ever felt. Frankly two finger grip is no good for ergonomics. Sony's own A99ii will do 12fps with continuous AF. I really am not happy with Sony's AF as it fails too often for me. The a7R III finally has a dedicated control to adjust the autofocus area. The event, which will show off a new 'DN' lens for mirrorless camera systems, is set to take place at 7am ET (4am PT) on December 1. Only one card slot supports UHS-II speeds. Sony still needs to up the game quite significantly. there are plenty of heavy systems: pentax canon,nikon,hasselbladphase one. They're using an 85mm for this camera instead of the 55/1.8 that was used for the A7RII's test scene. Never I said DSLR benefits from fast glass - in fact I even said the opposite that it does not depend on F number. All content, design, and layout are Copyright © 1998 - 2020 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved. Senior Editor Barney Britton's Gear of the Year part two details how he ended up with a Reflex-Nikkor 1000mm F11, and despite its quirks, why it was ideal for a creative project in the COVID-era. Frankly the exact number is impossible to arrive it but with that long and that high numbers the exact figures do not matter anymore. But for my core business (stage classical music) i need silent shooting. Do OVF users like to spend time peering through a tunnel? It's also possible miksto doesn't even take much video but is just trolling. Facts are that I get better yield with my A9 than 1DX including very low light conditions such as, I mentioned, glow in the dark fast moving subjects. If you click an affiliate link and buy a product or service, we may be paid a fee by that merchant. As we continue to test Nikon's update of its multimedia full-framer, we've added more of our findings so far on image quality, dynamic range and video quality. 'What's the best mirrorless camera?' I test this with simply focusing on a table. You'll want to restrict it to perfectly still subjects, and a rock-solid tripod is a necessity to get the most out of it. It feels pretty good in hand . I still use manual focus most of the time. Not mine.". That was not my question though. If your AF point is manually selected there is no real difference, actually it seems pretty well documented that the A9 outperforms the D5 and 1DXII. It's crazy how much macro blocking and noise is visible. And if you have any mental ability you should understand that. But I do also Chinese ink portrait drawings of people and love the freedom that such a rigorous material (no chance to correct anything) can give me. AF-ON, which can be used to drive the focus system independently of the shutter release, is a feature that many pros love, and I'm happy to see it here. @miksto - "If you read what I said I never made any of the two claims you misrepresent here as coming from me. I often had focus hunting problems while she never did. It had some issues identifying eyes when a pet was in profile, but aside from that, we have few complaints. Besides, you do not get better files from your Canon/nikon! The A7 III continues Sonyâs strong push for better video in their mirrorless lineup offering 6k sensor readout for full frame pixel 4K/24p video with no crop, 1080/120fps slow-motion recording along with a very good reduction in rolling shutter. Enter the Ulanzi ST-09, an adjustable mount that allows you to turn an Apple Watch into a live viewfinder on the rear of your iPhone. The phenomenon is mostly an issue when there is overly fast handheld movement". But for most photograpy, 10fps is ample. The FW50 battery used by older a7 models just doesn't provide enough juice for a professional to use it to cover an event without having to plan for a battery change (or two) during the course of the gig. @miksto'It still somehow feels way worse and not ergonomic than Nikon or Canon cameras without a grip. you obviously don't have any experience operating a video camera... here is a panning speed calculator that will help keep you from trashing your videos, like you are doing now: http://www.staminteractive.com/distributors/calc_5.html, ONCE AGAIN: *ff UHD has much less rolling shutter*. Unless I choose to spend more time with my face pressed to the camera. What shutter speed are you using? It is not the scene that is incorrect but the camera if it cannot do the scene I need such as filming fast moving objects or from fast moving objects. Tried that as well with Atomos but for retouching that alone is not enough and you strongly benefit from 10 bits or more to have freedom without introducing banding and you do not get that. It is just that Sony still needs to catch up to competition in low light focus. You made my day!!! You may unsubscribe from the newsletters at any time. You are so self-descriptive in this comment. @osvYou totally missed in all points you tried to make. Keep on being hilariously irrelevant if you want to amuse. What’s the best camera for around $2000? I've done this test several times and the results are consistent. trying to have a coherent conversation with him is just feeding the troll. The Sigma 65mm F2 DG DN is for the photographer who wants a focal length that falls squarely between 50mm and 85mm. Pros and Cons are a list of factors that would-be purchasers might want to be aware of. The biggest problem occurs when photographing something spinning like an airplane prop or a spoked wheel. But it does mean you lost what was a valuable memory. I have heard that it’s because the new cameras has a new cpu architecture that would require a complete rewrite of the apps.They say that not that many people actually use them.A time lapse feature would be nice though. We're only talking about an increase of 183 grams from the A7. Things get even worse if I need to operate the camera because then the poor Sony ergonomics force me to lower the big finger and as a result to twist my hand down and in that position my palm is not just against the corner but its center is actually below the corner and my little finger gets completely unused and is about a quarter to half an inch below the camera body hanging there useless - no longer used at all for a grip either in front or below the camera. Multi-shot is limited in use. How does this change with live view? NFC will launch the Sony PlayMemories Mobile app on compatible devices, and Wi-Fi is used for image transfer and remote control. that "test" was ignorant nonsense, nobody in their right mind would take a camera out into the pouring rain situation that those cameras were subjected to. The a7R III's foibles aren't great enough to prevent it from receiving high marks. No panning speed calculators have yet answered my very specific question. Rolling shutter also still seems to be a big problem. I don't expect the camera to think for me ..... @FujLiverIt is one thing when it is your choice to use manual focus and a totally different one when you have to because Sony's AF simply does not work.Also in events outside of ceremonial parts you often have no time to manually focus. What argument is anyone making? I would like to see what if any difference the Pixel shifting provides. LOL. The a9 shoots at 20fps with focus tracking, but only with its electronic shutter. Thanks again. i see that you ignored what cinema5d told you: "Rolling Shutter is for many not a purchase criteria. @miksto - "The information I've given is 100% true.". Sony A7R IV vs A7S III. Almost LOL now. I'd welcome any ideas about what's going on here. Sony A7R IV, Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DN Art, Yongnuo 560 Flashes | 1/200 sec, f/2.8, ISO 3200. beyond that, your exact words were "as I long abandoned shooting 1080p"" ... that proves that you did not say that crop UHD mode was all that you wanted to shoot... learn how to read yourself. I stated one simple fact that holds true. And extended battery/grip does not fix it either as I can feel where the two are attached and my little finger is right on that line and that feels uncomfortable/un-ergonomic. Let alone being totally confused about almost everything you attempt to read. What follows are the headiest products of 2020, the ones photographers really want. wrong again, it's your ignorant claims that are the problem: "UHD super 35 that is pretty much the only worthy mode", when you know for a fact that ff UHD has much less rolling shutter... but you stupidly refuse to use it. For me personally, working with the restrictions of a vintage film camera was like a liberation, including street photography. Most of the control you want is right at your fingertips. ", funny how you troll sony with false information, then claim that no one understands what you say, lmao. You've let your love of Canon and hatred of Sony lead you up the path to absurdity there. That's the size I am looking for. Wouldn't want to go back to PASM. Next to it are dedicated AF-ON and AEL buttons. In one case when I tested on a gimbal and the gimbal got hit by a passer by with only gentle shake and not much movement of the frame the rolling shutter resulted in very visible jello effect that lasted for about 10 seconds - this is just awful rolling shutter.